Вот такая была тема
Re: Вот такая была тема
Чет не могу я припомнить таких людей на своем веку, разве, что парочку, которых все чекнутыми считали. Мож я в неправильном месте вырос и в заповедники с такими людьми меня судьба не заносила.spqr1945 писал(а):Еще недавно советские люди исркене считали, что единственное что не хватает Западу - это диктатура пролетариата и что Запад надо освободить от власти "эксплуататоров".
Re: Вот такая была тема
Ну вот и продолжение этой темы, только теперь уже наяву и не где нибудь на юге Африки а на Манежной площади. Так, что хоть темы эти на форумах закрывайте, хоть сами форумы, хоть головы в песок заройте, а тема эта все равно горячая.
Ссылки на другие ресурсы запрещены
Ссылки на другие ресурсы запрещены
- pluto
- Заслуженный форумчанин
- Сообщения: 3128
- Зарегистрирован: 10 май 2008, 00:46
- Откуда: Windsor ON, Canada
Re: Вот такая была тема
Relax Я конечно понимаю что беспорядки это плохо..Но посмотрите на то что делалось в Лондоне и сравните английскую молодёжь и русскую...Я думаю что они примерно одинаковые..
Объясните мне разницу между тем что случилось в Москве и то что случилось в Лондоне..
Те же перекошенные лица молодых людей, то же противоборство с полицией..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia ... otos.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/201 ... shes.shtml
Объясните мне разницу между тем что случилось в Москве и то что случилось в Лондоне..
Те же перекошенные лица молодых людей, то же противоборство с полицией..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia ... otos.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/201 ... shes.shtml
Re: Вот такая была тема
Столкновения на Манежной площади переросли в настоящую войну. Корреспонденты сообщают о десятках пострадавших — и со стороны ОМОНа, и со стороны группировки фанатов, жестоко избиты лица неславянской внешности, попавшиеся под руки разъяренной толпе.
В настоящее время погромщики отправились на Площадь Трех вокзалов. Там уже начали формироваться кавказские бригады. Стокновения уже начались.
«Новая газета» просит не выходить сегодня на улицы ради вашей безопасности.
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2010/139/952254.html
Извиняюсь за ссылку, но это ссылка на прессу, не копипастить же мне всю новость.
В настоящее время погромщики отправились на Площадь Трех вокзалов. Там уже начали формироваться кавказские бригады. Стокновения уже начались.
«Новая газета» просит не выходить сегодня на улицы ради вашей безопасности.
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2010/139/952254.html
Извиняюсь за ссылку, но это ссылка на прессу, не копипастить же мне всю новость.
Re: Вот такая была тема
Я не о различиях английской и русской молодежи. Я об основной теме топика. О противостоянии двух миров.pluto писал(а):Relax Я конечно понимаю что беспорядки это плохо..Но посмотрите на то что делалось в Лондоне и сравните английскую молодёжь и русскую...Я думаю что они примерно одинаковые..
- pluto
- Заслуженный форумчанин
- Сообщения: 3128
- Зарегистрирован: 10 май 2008, 00:46
- Откуда: Windsor ON, Canada
Re: Вот такая была тема
Relax а можно уточнить у вас о каких мирах вы говорите (нет времени прочитывать все посты).
Какая разница какова причина беспорядков в Лондоне или Москве..Главное результат, а результат везде одинаковый.
Какая разница какова причина беспорядков в Лондоне или Москве..Главное результат, а результат везде одинаковый.
Re: Вот такая была тема
Ну да, результат одинаково печальный, как сообщает пресса столкновеня на национальной почве в москве уже начались. Вы знаете, основная мысль открытия этого топика была не в том, кто из воююющих лучше, а кто хуже. Суть в том, то в этом очередном кровопролитии больше всего виновны власти и политики. Так же как и в трагедии Южной Африки вся пролитая кровь на совести политиков. Политиков нужно бить по голове пока не поздно, а то скоро эти столконовения могут захлестнуть весь мир. Толерантность это не просто лозунг, это разменная монета на которой делаются миллиарды. А к чему это приведет в итоге, получивших эти миллиарды уже не волнует.
-
- Заслуженный форумчанин
- Сообщения: 379
- Зарегистрирован: 08 авг 2009, 00:16
- Откуда: Calgary, AB
Re: Вот такая была тема
Да хоть тройные стандарты. Главное что бы у себя дома мимо унитаза не мочиться и в стойле порядок был. А то мы ссым всё мимо а все во круг виноваты, немцы не достаточно наказаны, американцы с двойными стандартами, китайцы плохую продукцию поставляют. Зато у нас какая никакая элита в 80х произросла. Прелестно.Matroskin писал(а): там распространены двойные стандарты...
- spqr1945
- Вечный студент
- Сообщения: 6944
- Зарегистрирован: 07 май 2009, 03:14
- Откуда: Восточная Сибирь
Re: Вот такая была тема
"Разруха не в клозетах, а в головах" - Профессор Преображенский (Собачье сердце. Булгаков).
-
- Заслуженный форумчанин
- Сообщения: 255
- Зарегистрирован: 17 июн 2010, 09:59
- Откуда: Nottingham, UK
Re: Вот такая была тема
Наверное в том, что в первых сидят захваченные военные, а во вторых обычные гражданские люди, не редко женщины и дети.XXbdXX писал(а): А в чем отличие?
- spqr1945
- Вечный студент
- Сообщения: 6944
- Зарегистрирован: 07 май 2009, 03:14
- Откуда: Восточная Сибирь
Re: Вот такая была тема
Англичане применяли концентрационные лагеря во время англо-бурской войны, когда не могли справиться с партизанщиной буров. Тогда англичане просто загнали всех буров, включая женщин и детей в концлагеря и партизанская война сразу прекратилась. Напмню -англо-бурская война была в начале 20 века.
-
- Заслуженный форумчанин
- Сообщения: 255
- Зарегистрирован: 17 июн 2010, 09:59
- Откуда: Nottingham, UK
Re: Вот такая была тема
И что? Британская империя была весьма жестоким государством по отношению к завоеванным народам, как и любая империя. Если кому-то интересно, то империя (от лат. imperium - власть) — 1)монархическое государство во главе с императором/диктатором 2) колониальная держава, установившая своё господство над колониями и зависимыми странами, сохраняющая и поддерживающая свою власть системой гнёта и жёсткой эксплуатации.. Этим отличились все империи без исключения во все времена. Однако от империй была и польза, например не будь британской империи, сейчас бы не было не США, ни Канады, ни Австралии. Не будь империй, та же Индия, и африканские страны до сих пор были бы дикарями, цивилизацию им принесли как раз империи. А Редьярд Киплинг когда-то писал "В Азии слишком много Азии, она слишком стара. Вы не можете исправить женщину, у которой было много любовников, а Азия ненасытна в своих флиртах с незапамятных времен. Она никогда не будет увлекаться воскресной школой и не научится голосованию иначе, как с мечом в руках". В Индии до сих пор британская политическая, экономическая и образовательная система, за счет этого после обретения независимости, страна сделала экономический и интеллектуальный рывок. Индия сейчас одна из ведущих развивающихся стран, особенно отличается сфера ИТ и медицины. Азиатские тигры (Сингапур, Гонг Конг, Тайвань) как бывшие британские колонии полностью работают по британской системе, весь их истеблишмент прошел обучение в британских вузах, особенно предыдущего поколения. Я империи не защищаю, однако есть объективная оценка их существования и пользы от них для мира и конкретных народов. ЮАР, где жили те самые буры, сейчас самая развитое государство Африки.
Если быть объективным, то все сильные и богатые государства (в том числе Россия и Китай) в своей истории прошли через реки крови, к сожалению, но это так. И Америка тут, кстати, если брать период до второй половины 20-го века. выглядит агнецом по сравнению с большинством других мощных государств.
Если быть объективным, то все сильные и богатые государства (в том числе Россия и Китай) в своей истории прошли через реки крови, к сожалению, но это так. И Америка тут, кстати, если брать период до второй половины 20-го века. выглядит агнецом по сравнению с большинством других мощных государств.
Re: Вот такая была тема
кстати вот интересная статья к размышлению. оказывается американцы волнуются за свой самый главный конкурентный козырь
Please respect FT.com's ts&cs and copyright policy which allow you to: share links; copy content for personal use; & redistribute limited extracts. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights or use this link to reference the article - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33902778-2405 ... z1Bh9vqObe
When Facebook was accorded a $50bn valuation in a private financing launched this month, it looked like business as usual in Silicon Valley. The suburbs strung out along the peninsula below San Francisco that comprise the heart of the US technology industry had once again turned out a groundbreaking company to take the world by storm.
To some industry veterans, however, eye-catching successes such as the social networking site – whose share offer by Goldman Sachs drew so much attention that the bank felt obliged to exclude US investors for regulatory reasons – provide little indication of the underlying trend in the country’s technological competitiveness. If anything, they help to mask a deeper malaise that threatens the American system of innovation.
Drawn by the quick profits from high-flying internet concerns, US technology investors have lost interest in the more serious work needed to sustain a lead in some of the world’s most advanced industries, says John Seely Brown, a former head of Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center, once one of the Valley’s most renowned corporate research and development laboratories. “We’ve lost the will for patient investment. In the natural sciences, you don’t see ideas develop that fast,” he says.
Mr Seely Brown is far from alone. A deepening angst has gripped the US technology industry as the country has emerged from recession. If America is to create new, high-paying jobs, it is in the convergence of high science and entrepreneurial dynamism that much of the hope resides. But many leaders in the technology industry, which has been held up as a beacon of US economic leadership, no longer feel as confident of their own ability to deliver the goods.
LIGHTS OUT
When Massachusetts came up with $58m of incentives in 2008 to encourage Evergreen Solar to build a plant, it looked like the US state had found a new lease of life for a disused military base. Until last week, that is. Evergreen is shutting the facility with the loss of 800 jobs. The future location of Evergreen’s wafer making: a plant in Wuhan, China.
China’s solar lead has been built in current polysilicon technology. But photovoltaic materials that can be produced in thinner sheets at lower cost again promise to change the sector’s economics. US start-ups control much thin-film technology.
“I don’t know how many Facebooks you can build,” says Bill Watkins, a computer industry veteran. Like others in Silicon Valley, he has been drawn into the region’s latest boom industry: green technology. As chief executive of Bridgelux, a company that makes low-power lighting using light emitting diodes, he is at the forefront of a promising new field – but now warns that the LED industry is fast slipping away to Asia.
The US remains the clear leader in science and technology on virtually any measure – its share of global R&D spending stands at 40 per cent, while it employs 70 per cent of the world’s Nobel prizewinners and is home to 15 of the world’s 20 top universities, according to Rand, a US think-tank.
But the balance has been shifting. By 2007, the most recent date for which figures are available, Asia’s share of global R&D spending had risen to 32 per cent, up five percentage points in the previous five years, according to Unesco. On paper, the 1.4m researchers in China now equal the number in the US, though their output has been far lower.
Silicon Valley’s magnetic attraction for entrepreneurial talent from around the world is also less powerful than it was. About one-quarter of venture capital-backed companies in the US over the past 15 years were set up by immigrants, with a heavy bias towards technology industries, according to the National Venture Capital Association. That movement of talent in favour of the US does not look sustainable. With US venture capitalists redirecting more of their money to Asia, and start-ups from elsewhere winning support from American investors – new stock market listings by Chinese internet companies on Wall Street exceeded those by local American ones last year – many immigrant entrepreneurs are feeling an irresistible pull to return home.
For US tech companies, this is not necessarily bad news. Adept at crossing borders to take advantage of new markets and tap low-cost workforces and pools of engineering talent elsewhere, their ties to their country of origin have been growing looser. But for the US itself, the risk of losing out on the next big technologies would be far more severe. As Mr Watkins says: “What’s good for American stockholders is not necessarily good for America.”
VENTURE CAPITAL
Start-up finance falls off as Asia finds it can clean up
A steady flow of venture capital dollars has been the lifeblood of technology innovation in the US over the past half-century – and has made its entrepreneurs the envy of others around the world who are often starved of start-up finance, write Richard Waters and Chris Nuttall.
That picture is now changing fast. In the US itself, venture capital is facing its biggest test since the collapse of the tech bubble a decade ago. Last year, only $12.3bn of new money found its way into VC funds – less than half the level of two years before. With a broad retreat from private equity under way, American start-up financiers have been predicting a historic contraction in their industry.
At the same time, India and China have become magnets for start-up money – much of it directed at entrepreneurs returning to their home country after stints in the US, and coming from US venture capitalists who have started to hunt elsewhere for big ideas.
US venture firms have been looking increasingly to China to invest in areas such as clean technology, where the legislative environment at home is not as conducive to backing local companies. VantagePoint, one of the biggest Silicon Valley investors in this field, last year launched a $100m fund for emerging clean technology in China, making it one of the largest investment vehicles of its kind.
The shift is already starting to pay dividends. Sequoia Capital, one of the most prominent US venture firms, with names including Apple, Cisco and Google to its credit, has been making investments through local funds in China, India and Israel since the middle of the last decade. With few US tech companies pursuing a stock market listing, it has been companies from China and elsewhere that have been producing the initial public offerings for Sequoia’s backers – often through a public listing in the US.
That does not mean Silicon Valley is losing its edge, says Mike Moritz, a Sequoia senior partner, who describes the northern Californian region as still by far the world’s most active single area for tech innovation. But of his firm’s stake in countries such as China and India, he adds: “I’m immensely relieved we’ve positioned ourselves to invest in the tech companies of tomorrow.”
In the popular psyche, American technological leadership seems almost innate. It is seen as the product of an ingenuity, a sense of risk-taking and a hunger for the new that could only have taken root in a country as democratic, socially mobile and close to its pioneer roots as the US. But such romantic notions have lately been taking a cold shower.
Forget the loss of electronics manufacturing to Asia, which began in the 1980s, or the shift of information technology services to India, which has been the story of the past decade: the R&D and design work that goes into many areas of electronics manufacturing – bringing with it high-paying jobs – has also been moving elsewhere. And in entirely new markets such as green technology, despite strong US scientific credentials and heavy investment from Silicon Valley’s venture capital investors, the centre of gravity has been moving to Asia.
The belief that American individuality and creativity somehow assure future leadership is “a clear exposition of the arrogance of empire”, warns Michael Moritz, one of the Valley’s leading start-up financiers. Freed of “the debilitating effects of affluence”, he adds, “the need to succeed is far greater in the emerging economies”.
Nor is there any inherent resource advantage, as information and talent flow freely. “We’re not smarter than they are,” says Mr Watkins.
Some of the trends that lie behind the erosion of leadership – such as the decline of the US share of the world’s R&D spending, and the inability of its educational system to turn out enough science and technology students to feed national demand – have been playing out for decades. But the current angst has a more pointed cause. It comes from a sense of relative decline: others are catching up. The rise of China, in particular, has had a powerful psychological effect.
In many ways, this unease is irrational. “Why should I be upset that other countries are lifting themselves out of poverty, whether that’s physical or intellectual?” asks Nathan Myhrvold, a former chief technology officer at Microsoft whose current firm, Intellectual Ventures, has amassed one of the world’s biggest portfolios of technology patents.
For all the concerns, the US still has a big global lead. But that does little to erase the doubts. “Relative decline is decline,” says Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a US think-tank. Even optimists such as Mr Myhrvold concede that, as Asia rises, Americans find themselves in an unfamiliar position. “The US is the new Europe,” he says.
There is also a growing fear of absolute decline as more parts of the US technology industry move offshore. “A company that loses its ability to develop its own manufacturing is on the road to oblivion,” says Mr Moritz.
The concern stems from the close ties between design and manufacturing that characterise the evolution of new technologies. Developing prototypes and refining manufacturing processes becomes harder when the design and manufacturing of products takes place half a world apart. As a result, the US is losing “the capabilities to build serious, complex stuff”, warns Mr Seely Brown.
The US machine tool industry has already largely been lost to other countries. Applied Materials, the world’s largest maker of manufacturing equipment for the chip industry – and, increasingly, for solar cell makers – startled US rivals last year when it announced that its chief technology officer would move to China to be closer to the company’s manufacturing plants.
The failure of the US educational system to turn out enough engineers and others with needed technical backgrounds presents a second direct threat and has become a perennial subject of complaint for tech employers. “In the short run, you can fill gaps through immigration,” says Brad Smith, general counsel of Microsoft. “But you have to question whether that’s healthy and sustainable.”
The ability of the US to win the competition for talent is no longer taken for granted. Sophie Vandebroek, a Belgian engineer who moved to the US in the mid-1980s to train, says that at the time it was “the place to be – this was where the hot research was happening”. Ms Vandebroek stayed and eventually became chief technology officer at Xerox – in spite of the low status accorded to engineers in the US: “It’s kind of at the bottom of the professions.” Now, she and others warn, US immigration rules that make it harder for foreign students to stay, along with the availability of good jobs at home, are causing the country to leach much-needed foreign workers.
Concerns about competition are most heavily focused on new industries in which global leadership has yet to be established. The pressure is most acute in so-called green technologies. China and some other countries in Asia have adopted policies designed to wrest control of these industries even before they have become fully established, US executives and financiers warn
“We invented LEDs but we’re losing the business to Asia, and it’s the same with solar,” says Mr Watkins of Bridgelux.
The game is not yet lost. For now, in some industries that are still forming, the Valley boasts an impressive array of start-ups. In areas such as electric vehicles, advanced solar manufacturing and energy storage, it has established a technological lead, says Alan Salzman, managing partner of Vantage Point, a venture capital firm that specialises in green tech. “If this is the industrial revolution of the 21st century, then this is where the jobs are going to come from,” he adds.
If it is not to become left behind in businesses such as these, the industry’s leaders say, it is time for a policy rethink. “Simply put, the US needs to decide it is ‘open for business’ and willing to compete in the global marketplace for factories and jobs,” says Paul Otellini, chief executive of Intel. “Costs are higher here, not driven by labour rates but rather by lack of incentives or tax credits that are available to US corporations in most other countries.” Without education reform, there will be a “critical engineering skills gap [that] will ultimately translate into fewer jobs and inventions in this country”.
The administration of President Barack Obama has signalled its greater willingness to consider such calls, though it is not yet clear whether powerful tech companies such as Intel will get what they want.
Silicon Valley may still act as a magnet for the world’s engineering and entrepreneurial talent. It is the place where many of the brightest Indian, Chinese and European brains still congregate. Facebook’s success is evidence that “innovation is still kicking” and the American melting pot is still happening, says Mr Myhrvold. But for the country at large, it would not pay to take that much for granted.
Please respect FT.com's ts&cs and copyright policy which allow you to: share links; copy content for personal use; & redistribute limited extracts. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights or use this link to reference the article - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33902778-2405 ... z1Bh9vqObe
When Facebook was accorded a $50bn valuation in a private financing launched this month, it looked like business as usual in Silicon Valley. The suburbs strung out along the peninsula below San Francisco that comprise the heart of the US technology industry had once again turned out a groundbreaking company to take the world by storm.
To some industry veterans, however, eye-catching successes such as the social networking site – whose share offer by Goldman Sachs drew so much attention that the bank felt obliged to exclude US investors for regulatory reasons – provide little indication of the underlying trend in the country’s technological competitiveness. If anything, they help to mask a deeper malaise that threatens the American system of innovation.
Drawn by the quick profits from high-flying internet concerns, US technology investors have lost interest in the more serious work needed to sustain a lead in some of the world’s most advanced industries, says John Seely Brown, a former head of Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center, once one of the Valley’s most renowned corporate research and development laboratories. “We’ve lost the will for patient investment. In the natural sciences, you don’t see ideas develop that fast,” he says.
Mr Seely Brown is far from alone. A deepening angst has gripped the US technology industry as the country has emerged from recession. If America is to create new, high-paying jobs, it is in the convergence of high science and entrepreneurial dynamism that much of the hope resides. But many leaders in the technology industry, which has been held up as a beacon of US economic leadership, no longer feel as confident of their own ability to deliver the goods.
LIGHTS OUT
When Massachusetts came up with $58m of incentives in 2008 to encourage Evergreen Solar to build a plant, it looked like the US state had found a new lease of life for a disused military base. Until last week, that is. Evergreen is shutting the facility with the loss of 800 jobs. The future location of Evergreen’s wafer making: a plant in Wuhan, China.
China’s solar lead has been built in current polysilicon technology. But photovoltaic materials that can be produced in thinner sheets at lower cost again promise to change the sector’s economics. US start-ups control much thin-film technology.
“I don’t know how many Facebooks you can build,” says Bill Watkins, a computer industry veteran. Like others in Silicon Valley, he has been drawn into the region’s latest boom industry: green technology. As chief executive of Bridgelux, a company that makes low-power lighting using light emitting diodes, he is at the forefront of a promising new field – but now warns that the LED industry is fast slipping away to Asia.
The US remains the clear leader in science and technology on virtually any measure – its share of global R&D spending stands at 40 per cent, while it employs 70 per cent of the world’s Nobel prizewinners and is home to 15 of the world’s 20 top universities, according to Rand, a US think-tank.
But the balance has been shifting. By 2007, the most recent date for which figures are available, Asia’s share of global R&D spending had risen to 32 per cent, up five percentage points in the previous five years, according to Unesco. On paper, the 1.4m researchers in China now equal the number in the US, though their output has been far lower.
Silicon Valley’s magnetic attraction for entrepreneurial talent from around the world is also less powerful than it was. About one-quarter of venture capital-backed companies in the US over the past 15 years were set up by immigrants, with a heavy bias towards technology industries, according to the National Venture Capital Association. That movement of talent in favour of the US does not look sustainable. With US venture capitalists redirecting more of their money to Asia, and start-ups from elsewhere winning support from American investors – new stock market listings by Chinese internet companies on Wall Street exceeded those by local American ones last year – many immigrant entrepreneurs are feeling an irresistible pull to return home.
For US tech companies, this is not necessarily bad news. Adept at crossing borders to take advantage of new markets and tap low-cost workforces and pools of engineering talent elsewhere, their ties to their country of origin have been growing looser. But for the US itself, the risk of losing out on the next big technologies would be far more severe. As Mr Watkins says: “What’s good for American stockholders is not necessarily good for America.”
VENTURE CAPITAL
Start-up finance falls off as Asia finds it can clean up
A steady flow of venture capital dollars has been the lifeblood of technology innovation in the US over the past half-century – and has made its entrepreneurs the envy of others around the world who are often starved of start-up finance, write Richard Waters and Chris Nuttall.
That picture is now changing fast. In the US itself, venture capital is facing its biggest test since the collapse of the tech bubble a decade ago. Last year, only $12.3bn of new money found its way into VC funds – less than half the level of two years before. With a broad retreat from private equity under way, American start-up financiers have been predicting a historic contraction in their industry.
At the same time, India and China have become magnets for start-up money – much of it directed at entrepreneurs returning to their home country after stints in the US, and coming from US venture capitalists who have started to hunt elsewhere for big ideas.
US venture firms have been looking increasingly to China to invest in areas such as clean technology, where the legislative environment at home is not as conducive to backing local companies. VantagePoint, one of the biggest Silicon Valley investors in this field, last year launched a $100m fund for emerging clean technology in China, making it one of the largest investment vehicles of its kind.
The shift is already starting to pay dividends. Sequoia Capital, one of the most prominent US venture firms, with names including Apple, Cisco and Google to its credit, has been making investments through local funds in China, India and Israel since the middle of the last decade. With few US tech companies pursuing a stock market listing, it has been companies from China and elsewhere that have been producing the initial public offerings for Sequoia’s backers – often through a public listing in the US.
That does not mean Silicon Valley is losing its edge, says Mike Moritz, a Sequoia senior partner, who describes the northern Californian region as still by far the world’s most active single area for tech innovation. But of his firm’s stake in countries such as China and India, he adds: “I’m immensely relieved we’ve positioned ourselves to invest in the tech companies of tomorrow.”
In the popular psyche, American technological leadership seems almost innate. It is seen as the product of an ingenuity, a sense of risk-taking and a hunger for the new that could only have taken root in a country as democratic, socially mobile and close to its pioneer roots as the US. But such romantic notions have lately been taking a cold shower.
Forget the loss of electronics manufacturing to Asia, which began in the 1980s, or the shift of information technology services to India, which has been the story of the past decade: the R&D and design work that goes into many areas of electronics manufacturing – bringing with it high-paying jobs – has also been moving elsewhere. And in entirely new markets such as green technology, despite strong US scientific credentials and heavy investment from Silicon Valley’s venture capital investors, the centre of gravity has been moving to Asia.
The belief that American individuality and creativity somehow assure future leadership is “a clear exposition of the arrogance of empire”, warns Michael Moritz, one of the Valley’s leading start-up financiers. Freed of “the debilitating effects of affluence”, he adds, “the need to succeed is far greater in the emerging economies”.
Nor is there any inherent resource advantage, as information and talent flow freely. “We’re not smarter than they are,” says Mr Watkins.
Some of the trends that lie behind the erosion of leadership – such as the decline of the US share of the world’s R&D spending, and the inability of its educational system to turn out enough science and technology students to feed national demand – have been playing out for decades. But the current angst has a more pointed cause. It comes from a sense of relative decline: others are catching up. The rise of China, in particular, has had a powerful psychological effect.
In many ways, this unease is irrational. “Why should I be upset that other countries are lifting themselves out of poverty, whether that’s physical or intellectual?” asks Nathan Myhrvold, a former chief technology officer at Microsoft whose current firm, Intellectual Ventures, has amassed one of the world’s biggest portfolios of technology patents.
For all the concerns, the US still has a big global lead. But that does little to erase the doubts. “Relative decline is decline,” says Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a US think-tank. Even optimists such as Mr Myhrvold concede that, as Asia rises, Americans find themselves in an unfamiliar position. “The US is the new Europe,” he says.
There is also a growing fear of absolute decline as more parts of the US technology industry move offshore. “A company that loses its ability to develop its own manufacturing is on the road to oblivion,” says Mr Moritz.
The concern stems from the close ties between design and manufacturing that characterise the evolution of new technologies. Developing prototypes and refining manufacturing processes becomes harder when the design and manufacturing of products takes place half a world apart. As a result, the US is losing “the capabilities to build serious, complex stuff”, warns Mr Seely Brown.
The US machine tool industry has already largely been lost to other countries. Applied Materials, the world’s largest maker of manufacturing equipment for the chip industry – and, increasingly, for solar cell makers – startled US rivals last year when it announced that its chief technology officer would move to China to be closer to the company’s manufacturing plants.
The failure of the US educational system to turn out enough engineers and others with needed technical backgrounds presents a second direct threat and has become a perennial subject of complaint for tech employers. “In the short run, you can fill gaps through immigration,” says Brad Smith, general counsel of Microsoft. “But you have to question whether that’s healthy and sustainable.”
The ability of the US to win the competition for talent is no longer taken for granted. Sophie Vandebroek, a Belgian engineer who moved to the US in the mid-1980s to train, says that at the time it was “the place to be – this was where the hot research was happening”. Ms Vandebroek stayed and eventually became chief technology officer at Xerox – in spite of the low status accorded to engineers in the US: “It’s kind of at the bottom of the professions.” Now, she and others warn, US immigration rules that make it harder for foreign students to stay, along with the availability of good jobs at home, are causing the country to leach much-needed foreign workers.
Concerns about competition are most heavily focused on new industries in which global leadership has yet to be established. The pressure is most acute in so-called green technologies. China and some other countries in Asia have adopted policies designed to wrest control of these industries even before they have become fully established, US executives and financiers warn
“We invented LEDs but we’re losing the business to Asia, and it’s the same with solar,” says Mr Watkins of Bridgelux.
The game is not yet lost. For now, in some industries that are still forming, the Valley boasts an impressive array of start-ups. In areas such as electric vehicles, advanced solar manufacturing and energy storage, it has established a technological lead, says Alan Salzman, managing partner of Vantage Point, a venture capital firm that specialises in green tech. “If this is the industrial revolution of the 21st century, then this is where the jobs are going to come from,” he adds.
If it is not to become left behind in businesses such as these, the industry’s leaders say, it is time for a policy rethink. “Simply put, the US needs to decide it is ‘open for business’ and willing to compete in the global marketplace for factories and jobs,” says Paul Otellini, chief executive of Intel. “Costs are higher here, not driven by labour rates but rather by lack of incentives or tax credits that are available to US corporations in most other countries.” Without education reform, there will be a “critical engineering skills gap [that] will ultimately translate into fewer jobs and inventions in this country”.
The administration of President Barack Obama has signalled its greater willingness to consider such calls, though it is not yet clear whether powerful tech companies such as Intel will get what they want.
Silicon Valley may still act as a magnet for the world’s engineering and entrepreneurial talent. It is the place where many of the brightest Indian, Chinese and European brains still congregate. Facebook’s success is evidence that “innovation is still kicking” and the American melting pot is still happening, says Mr Myhrvold. But for the country at large, it would not pay to take that much for granted.
Re: Вот такая была тема
вот оригинал, там еще очень интересные графики
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33902778-2405 ... z1Bh9uSs1o
возможно я сильно переоценивал американский научный фундамент как основу их будущего и что китай возьмет свое раньше чем многие предполагают.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33902778-2405 ... z1Bh9uSs1o
возможно я сильно переоценивал американский научный фундамент как основу их будущего и что китай возьмет свое раньше чем многие предполагают.
Re: Вот такая была тема
Именно об этом я и твердил на форуме. Но мне почему-то никто не хочет верить.
Стремление к демократии это попытка уравнять в правах мартышек и питонов.